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Commodities Show Signs of Recovery


THOMAS BUTCHER: The last three to four years have been challenging for commodities but it appears that prices have stabilized. Is that right?


ROLAND MORRIS: It is certainly starting to look like that. In the first quarter of 2016, we have seen some prices stabilize and some very encouraging signs. We have also seen some recovery in commodity currencies. Gold bottomed in December 2015 [period from 12/17/15 to 3/22/16] and it is now up about 20% off that low. We had copper bottom in January and it is now about 17% off its low [period from 01/15/16 to 3/22/16]. Crude oil bottomed in February and it is about 16% off its low [YTD as of 3/22/16]. We have seen what appears to be a base-building over the past two quarters. This is very encouraging. We believe it is the kind of action that could set the stage for a longer term cycle. Last year in 2015 we experienced what was a false start, but this year it feels more like this could be the real thing and commodities have stabilized.


BUTCHER: Going into 2016 there was major concern about the outlook for China. Has that been ongoing?


MORRIS: I think that is one of the factors that contributed to what appears to be improving price trends in commodities. When you look back to the beginning of this year, we experienced a major decline in China’s stock market and its currency (early January). This caused tremendous fear among investors that the worst case scenario was about to play out in China and that would have been a hard landing and possibly a forced currency devaluation because of capital flight. Since then things have calmed down a great deal. In February capital outflows from China slowed markedly. I believe this is one of the key reasons we are seeing some restored confidence in commodities right now.


BUTCHER: Are there any other factors that have improved the outlook for commodities?


MORRIS: I believe another important factor in commodities’ recent strength has been the shift by the U.S. Federal Reserve (Fed). The Fed indicated at its March meeting that it viewed current global financial developments as negative and it felt it needed to defer its proposed tightening program. That set the stage for some weakness in the U.S. dollar. The strengthening dollar trend had been one of the major headwinds facing commodities over the past three years. I think investors are starting to believe that the Fed will not be aggressive in raising rates and this has put a cap on the U.S. dollar’s appreciation, which has been very helpful for commodities.


BUTCHER: Can you provide me additional details about stabilization across the commodity spectrum?


MORRIS: We started making the following argument late last summer. We have felt that because of the reduction in CapEx (capital expenditure) across a number of commodities sectors and curtailment of investment, particularly in energy and industrial metals, investors have underappreciated the supply response. This is what we consider the fundamental story. Combined with improvements in some of these macro factors, this is what supports our point of view that this truly is the beginning of a new, positive cycle for commodities. It is this backdrop, i.e., the reduction in supply, that we consider when we look out over the next two to five years.


BUTCHER: Do you think this is one of the distinguishing features between now and the situation back at the beginning of 2015?


MORRIS: Last year we certainly had some encouraging signs at the beginning of the second quarter, including appreciating price trends when crude oil went from $40 per barrel to $60 per barrel. Unfortunately that just petered out as the year progressed. I think the difference this time is the duration. We like to talk about fixing low prices, which requires a period of time to take hold. I think what is different now is we are a whole year further into the cycle and those CapEx cancellations from reduced investment may bring down supply significantly. From my perspective, the reason this may not be a false start is that we’ve had a longer period of low prices and it is both low prices and their duration that I believe help form a base.


BUTCHER: Have you been seeing any change in investor sentiment?


MORRIS: Overall I think clients have been more receptive. We have spent considerable time over the past few months meeting with institutional clients as well as other types of investors. My sense is that investors are starting to believe that now might be the time to consider either increasing natural resource investments or looking at them for the first time. I think this is partially because price trends have obviously improved in the first quarter. I also think most investors believe the Fed is unlikely to become aggressive with monetary tightening. The Fed is more worried about the global growth environment and consequently it will probably keep the U.S. dollar contained. I think investors are starting to recognize that without the headwind of an appreciating U.S. dollar, natural resources appear more attractive.


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